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Stockholm · Jul 27, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Recent development on selling in game items is making this tread outdated, A-net is thinking about opening a shop of there own. So suspend this thread until we know witch way they are going on ingame items trade. Who knows it might be legit soon.

Clone · Jul 27, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

Actually, you could always prevent several identical runes being equipped at the same time.

There is no reason whatsoever to have two identical Superior runes equipped - except to deliberately lower HP to take advantage of prot spirit etc.

That would help, but it would also make the 55'ers complain, even though there is no reasonable reason whatsoever to have two identical superior runes equipped at the same time.

The 55 build is completely reasonable. Besides, doing away with it will piss off lots of people, but do nothing in terms of reducing bots. There are plenty of builds people can use to farm. If the 55 build goes away, they aren't suddenly going to say, "Oh no, this is too hard now! We give up!" They'll switch to some other solo build. Anet could continue to nerf any possible solo build, but that would just alienate everybody.

They need to stop focusing on trying to locate bots by behavior. Behavior can easily overlap between bots and non-bots alike, as some of their heavy-handed mass bannings have proved. What they should do is team up with some third party group like punkbuster to try to focus on finding programs botters are running and ignore the behavior.

Phades · Jul 28, 2006, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

But farming is not out of place in this game.

Strictly solo play in a multiplayer game setting is out of place. The hencmen are a response to at least not forcing the player to wait for other people to play with. Farm all you want with groups of friends, but the key word here is group.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I agree. But we must not forget that making it harder on bots can make it harder on players. So the solution to killing bots must try not to make it harder on real players as much as possible.

I think you are begining to see my point of veiw, even though you disagree with my approach and i respect that. The thing is, eliminating builds is basically the same as banning accounts. The difference is that, it also affects playstyles that might also be out of place without affecting the areas for "normal" play. Banning bots is also just another hurdle, like nerfing areas is as well. This is in addition to hitting all of the bots at the same time, forcing character changes, which is similar to the time investment required when setting up a new account. Finding the right combination of the above to make it less and less of a monetary value to perform long term botting style endevours like solo farming, that introduces alot of resources that would not normally be there, is really the only solution to curtail the situation.

The 55hp monk build is just one example, but there are many different approaches to altering that specifc yet highly efficient vs non-shutdown characters setup. Others presented like high AL warrior builds are more difficult due to the nature of damage reduction from AL with absorption. There is no one universal solution to all of it, even banning the bots.

CHUIU · Jul 28, 2006, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by Avair Strabain

making prot spirit a cast on target other ally would fix it

Yeah that would have horrible effects on PvP though. Instead of playing with skills, they need to play with the monsters. Giving the minotuars Strip Enchantment or Chillblains would work fine.

Maria The Princess · Jul 28, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

people removing the -50 item will not change much. all the guy has to do is die once to bring hp even more down. not working in elona because you get send out of mission? well, there are alot of other places similar to that.

removing the "stackability" of -75 hp runes will make no diffrence either, because all the Mo/W will be replaced with E/Mo who have 5 attribute lines.

remove or nurf protective spirit? well you will end up with a bunch of warior/mo bots. just do glad defence, bonneti, cyclone and so on. there is realy no point in deleting a whole build because there will be new ones created. what will you suggest after? nomatter what ANET will nurf, something will replace it.

they have to go from anouther way, detect the bitting programs, or detect if a cetrain acount have been repeating the same actions vfor 24h

this thread is one more of thoise "nurf 55 monks" threads